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Quoted from "blackbelt_jones"

OH THANK GOD! I've been trying to set up KDE 4.1.1, and my head is about to explode. So what can non-developers do to help?

Quoted from "Zvezdichko"

Errr... do you really believe that your project will ever take off ?

There's no way of knowing, without trying, but I think that any attempt to fork KDE 3 should start modestly, and be more about maintanance than development.

This aspect of free software is essentially a force of nature, and it is not for you or I any one person to determine. If a fork of KDE 3 is not necessary, it won't happen. If it is necessary, it will. The answer will be worked out, according to the needs of the community, and where KDE4 is going.

Quoted from "speedyx"

Please leave the real innovation and progress free of your silly proposal.

Well, that's what it's all about, isn't it? Leaving KDE4 to the KDE4 people. I've installed three different version of KDE 4, and, sorry, but I hate it like poison. I want to like it, even managed to convince myself that I did for a while. But lots of people do like it. KDE4 is actually pretty good, it's important groundbreaking yadda yadda yadda, but it's made with people who work differently than I do in mind, and trying to reconcile my methods to KDE4 has driven me about as close to tears as a 50 year old man should be driven.

KDE4 succeeds for many, perhaps most, but it may not be all things to all people, and IMO KDE3 is the highest epression of the desktop pardigm that has existed for twenty five years. For some people the fact that's been around so long is a reason to get rid of it, but there's another way of looking at that. I think people get carried away with innovation. You wind up trying to eat your corn flakes with an electronic spoon. I saw an article about how "experts" are saying that in five years all mice will be replaced by touchscreens. I can probably list 150 reasons why that's not going to happen, which is not to say that touch screens don't have applications. Last year I was reading about how Second Life was the future of the internet, and how we're all going to be doing our online shopping in virtual reality. Second Life is awesome. In my second life, I'm a lesbian punk rock stripper... but if you've ever dragged your avatar through a virtual shopping mall, you know that this is not the kind of fast, efficient experience that online shopping is known for.

One reason why I briefly thought I liked KDE4 was because I keep finding things in KDE4 that impress the hell out of me, but then they don't turn out to be very useful. Like the terminal window in Dolphin that follows you from directory to directory. Really impressive, can't imagine what I would do with it. But I bet that somebody will. KDE4 is NOT an electronic spoon, It's the forerunner of a lot of great technology to come. But it's not a good reason to throw over the great technology that is.

Most forks fail, but most forks attempt to take things in a new direction. In this, case, technically, KDE4 is the fork.

Most fork attempts don't succeed, and this one may not, but I promise you, this isn't the only proposal out there. When fork attempts succeed, I suspect it's because there's more than one valid way to go. If someone wants to go another way, don't take is an affront to your way. KDE4 is a great desktop... for KDE4 people.

Actually, I do like KDE4, and would occasionally use it if it wasn't threatening to destroy my desktop.

Quoted from "Ash"

Hi

First i want to apologise - for opening this in the KDE 4 forum. I did it because it seems to be the only forum people i am looking for are reading.

I want to make a fork of KDE 3.5 - basically give it new name and take it forward into the future with the pros it has over other desktops (including KDE 4)

I am looking for devs. People who basically like the idea and who would like to contribute.

To make a good desktop we need good work and motivation. If you have some and want to give it - you are welcome. Please contact me by PM or other means.



Ash

ICQ 5299761908 - remove the 5 from the beginning

Quoted from "zeno0771"

Quoted from "Ash"

Hi

First i want to apologise - for opening this in the KDE 4 forum. I did it because it seems to be the only forum people i am looking for are reading.

I want to make a fork of KDE 3.5 - basically give it new name and take it forward into the future with the pros it has over other desktops (including KDE 4)

I am looking for devs. People who basically like the idea and who would like to contribute.

To make a good desktop we need good work and motivation. If you have some and want to give it - you are welcome. Please contact me by PM or other means.



Ash

ICQ 5299761908 - remove the 5 from the beginning

There are one or two devs over at the ArchLinux forums who are talking about the same thing at http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=422980#p422980
One in particular has come up with some concrete ideas for the infrastructure (Git vs SVN, etc) and there is/will be a need for non-ArchLinux users to help out. If you're serious about this and not talking through your hat, go over there and see what you can find...if nothing else, you might learn about what it'll take to pull this off. I personally like the idea and believe KDE3 has more room for growth (even the K devs treat it as a separate desktop) and I can't code but I can beta-test all day long (well okay, not literally but I have a couple of rigs and the latest of both VMware Workstation and VirtualBox)-

Quoted from "blackbelt_jones"

Quoted from "zeno0771"

Quoted from "Ash"

Hi

First i want to apologise - for opening this in the KDE 4 forum. I did it because it seems to be the only forum people i am looking for are reading.

I want to make a fork of KDE 3.5 - basically give it new name and take it forward into the future with the pros it has over other desktops (including KDE 4)

I am looking for devs. People who basically like the idea and who would like to contribute.

To make a good desktop we need good work and motivation. If you have some and want to give it - you are welcome. Please contact me by PM or other means.



Ash

ICQ 5299761908 - remove the 5 from the beginning

There are one or two devs over at the ArchLinux forums who are talking about the same thing at http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=422980#p422980
One in particular has come up with some concrete ideas for the infrastructure (Git vs SVN, etc) and there is/will be a need for non-ArchLinux users to help out. If you're serious about this and not talking through your hat, go over there and see what you can find...if nothing else, you might learn about what it'll take to pull this off. I personally like the idea and believe KDE3 has more room for growth (even the K devs treat it as a separate desktop) and I can't code but I can beta-test all day long (well okay, not literally but I have a couple of rigs and the latest of both VMware Workstation and VirtualBox)-

Are you talking to ash? Or are you talking to me? You seem to have linked to my post in the archlinux forum.

Quoted from "yeeha"

If i understand correctly then what people who dont like kde4 dont like it because of how desktop works, if thats the case then wouldnt be lot simpler to gather dev team who would add classic behavior mode as option to kde4...

Quoted from "zeno0771"

Quoted from "yeeha"

If i understand correctly then what people who dont like kde4 dont like it because of how desktop works, if thats the case then wouldnt be lot simpler to gather dev team who would add classic behavior mode as option to kde4...

Unfortuantely it's not that simple, otherwise they'd have just ported all the KDE3 code for the things we don't like/don't have in KDE4. The thing to remember is that KDE4 is a clean-sheet design; they'd already clarified that importing stuff wholesale from KDE3 would break a lot of new things and objectively I can understand their point; I just disagree with their Microsoft-esque "reinvent-the-wheel" approach to doing it.
That said, your idea has merit, but I get the feeling the devs would not care for having to make concessions in what they already have just for the rest of us. It would be nice, but I think as impractical as it sounds, forking KDE3 would be a better way to go about it in the long run; that way you don't have conflicting goals, because realistically the KDE devs want to see KDE4 go forward, and we at the same time would like to see KDE3 go forward since it still has so much potential left-

Quoted from "Alessandro17"

Maybe I am trying to split hairs, but "forking" KDE wouldn't be a fork at all.
KDE3 and KDE4 are two entirely different desktops. So it is not a matter of forking, rather allowing both to survive. That is what KDE developers and everybody else should understand. When you fall in love with a lovely girl, do you kill your granny because she is old?

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Regardless of what you want to call it, that's what I have done:
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