You are not logged in.

HowTo Downrev to 3.5?

Dear visitor, welcome to KDE-Forum.org. If this is your first visit here, please read the Help. It explains in detail how this page works. To use all features of this page, you should consider registering. Please use the registration form, to register here or read more information about the registration process. If you are already registered, please login here.

Quantum

Beginner

  • "Quantum" started this thread

Posts: 27

  • Send private message

1

Thursday, January 31st 2008, 1:17am

HowTo Downrev to 3.5?

KDE4 has fallen to pieces on me, so I need to downrev to 3.5 again.

Trouble is, KPackage4 will not disclose anything about any installed KDE4 packages so I can deinstall them, and it doesn't show any KDE3.5 packages either! Why are these packages invisible? Doesn't matter if I set it to All Packages, Installed Packages, or whatever. It's keeping them hidden.

I could tear out the KDE4 packages by hand on the command-line, but I'd only be guessing which ones are installed, and certainly wouldn't get them all, much less to guess the package names to install for KDE3.5.

What's a brother to do?

alecs1

Trainee

Posts: 53

Location: Romania

  • Send private message

2

Thursday, January 31st 2008, 9:13am

I don't understand the problem exactly.
So you have installed a precompiled KDE 4 package. What is your distribution? I guess it should be quite simple to use the original package manager of the distribution, if kpackage does not work as it should.

Second, does installing KDE 4 remove KDE ? This would be a very strange decision. I can't install a precompiled KDE 4 now, I can only compile it myself, but I guess that you got something wrong rather than the packagers made the decision not to allow having both packages.
Enjoy

Quantum

Beginner

  • "Quantum" started this thread

Posts: 27

  • Send private message

3

Thursday, January 31st 2008, 4:45pm

Debian Lenny.

To try KDE4 I used KPackage to deinstall all KDE3.5 packages. I then set inittab to boot level 3 as default and rebooted. I installed the KDE4 packages as described on the test webpage, set inittab back to level 5 and rebooted.

KDE4 came up OK and I made some settings adjustments and moved around to familiarize myself. To make the settings stick I logged off and logeed back in again: POOF, no Kicker, and klaunch segfaulting. Logged off and deleted ~/.kde and .mcop as root, logged in again, and no improvement. The story is much longer and more painful than this, but suffice it to say...

I then used KPackage to try and deinstall KDE4, but it professes no knowledge of any installed KDE packages. Nor of any KDE3.5 packages waiting in the wings! Only a few random localization files, games, toys. my etc/apt/sources.lst file has the proper resources.

I do not know what all the installed packages names are, so there is no way if I uninstall them that I'll ever get out all the KDE4 packages. It is so busted it's starting to look like I'll have to wipe the disk and start over.

alecs1

Trainee

Posts: 53

Location: Romania

  • Send private message

4

Sunday, February 3rd 2008, 8:52pm

Sorry, I forgot to come back and answer this.
So you say Debian, excelent choice.
You should use aptitude or synaptic. Aptitude is a very smart console program. Synaptic is a GUI program that does the same thing as aptitude, only it is not so smart. What I mean, synaptic is the best package manager with GUI you can get at the moment and does its job very well, but aptitude is genius.
you say for example as root in a console:

Source code

 
1

aptitude install kde
, and it will show you a list of things it will perform. Be carefull it does not delete some important package like python, coreutils or xorg. If everything suits you go on and it will do the job.
Ask for more on the debian forums if you don't make it, they are quite active, much more than this forgotten forum.
Enjoy

alecs1

Trainee

Posts: 53

Location: Romania

  • Send private message

5

Sunday, February 3rd 2008, 10:26pm

I forgot to mention, you must have a file correctly setted. /etc/apt/sources.list must contain at least a good source for your packages.
Mine contains:

"deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free"

You will want to replace stable with "testing" or "Lenny", according to your distribution, I am stuck with Etch for the moment.
Enjoy

Quantum

Beginner

  • "Quantum" started this thread

Posts: 27

  • Send private message

6

Monday, February 4th 2008, 12:30am

Thanks Alecs, but I have all this. Used Debian for ten years.

Problem was that I needed a way to identify which K4 packages are actually installed, so I could remove them all before attempting to install 3.5. Always used KPackage, but it betrayed me in 4, and I am not willing to research command-line calesthenics.

Well I ended up deinstalling all I could think of by hand, then in installing 3.5 it would refuse certain packages until others had been installed... meaning that those were the 4 packages that had to come out before the 3.5 ones with the same name could go in. I'd understood that 3.5 and 4 could co-exist, but obviously not.

I finally got back to 3.5 now, thank goodness.

I like 4 and it has promise once they get some more configurability in it, but the Vista functions are retrograde and have to go. And rather than regressing they should be building in more object-oriented attributes, although probably it's too late now.

And where's Fusion?! This is one major feature that Linux has it all over everyone else, and they don't use it?!