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hi everyone (and sorry if my english isn't perfect )!
I've noticed that dolphin appeals to many people (including me), and at the same time konqueror should became a power user app (that I will continue to use for sure). I totally agree with this idea but for internet browsing there is only konqueror, that is a power user app... so what about a simpler and polished browser as default?
since I'm graduating and I've very much time (\me laughs ironically) this morning I've thought how the perfect browser should be, and I come up with the 5 points below:

* support for extensions just like firefox does (this is the reason why FF is so popular)
* being lightweight and well integrated (this is the reason why FF really sucks )
* being minimal by default
* don't reinvent the wheel
* need of a wide community that develop extensions

my idea is the following.. imagine a browser where each component is a plasma widget! this can give an architecture similar to firefox (using plasma instead of XUL and JS), at the same time we don't reinvent the wheel and we have a wide community that develop plasma widgets.
the advantages of a similar approach are the modularity and the integration with the desktop. you should be able to drag&drop a plasma widget (AKA extension if the widget is integrated in the browser) into the toolbar of the browser (the navbar or whatever you want) just like you can drag&drop it into the desktop or into the successor of kicker (if I understood well how plasma works). Of course it should be possibile to install new extensions by khotnewstuff that places it automatically in a default location.
Also extensions should be able to access some methods exposed by the browser itself, so an extension could manage the HTML code before the browser render it, so you can write an ad-block extension or simply read the content of the page to do something on it (for instance you can implement a youtube video downloader extension).
I think that the important thing is that by default there are only essentials features.
If you have an other idea for a simpler and cool default browser let me know (maybe your idea is better than mine). in the near future I'd like to code something like this, even only for educational purpose.
that's all folks

thank you for the answer rinse

#AFAIK konqueror already does!!

yes but extensions in konqueror aren't powerfull as extensions in FF, or I missed something?

#Already the case smile

IMHO konqueror is not lightweight. if you take a look at the memory usage you should understand what I mean.
the "well integrated" part of course was referred to firefox, konqueror is already well integrated

#should be easier when the tight integration of filemanager/webbrowser is removed from konqueror.

are you saying that KDE developers are planning to separate better filemanager's features from browser's features? if so it's very good
anyway konqueror is not minimal! it include by default many features that many people never use

#Well, the browser is already there, only thing that is needed imho is get rid of the file manager stuff that is still present when using konqueror as webbrowser (e.g., click on [home] should not go to ~), and it needs a cleaner default userprofile.

yes I agree with you.. but isn't cool to have plasma widgets integrated into the browser? however the rendering engine is the same (KHTML)

#Yep, i hope the migration to windows and macos can build a larger community around Konqueror!!

yeah! I have to point out that konqueror is one of my favourite apps, but I think that konqueror is a power user application and we need also a more simple browser (or even better: "simply a browser")

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Originally posted by gd
Only a browser without reinventing the wheel? We already have a filemanager and document viewer (Konqueror) and the KHTML kpart for viewing HTML.

yes but now we have dolphin as filemanager and konqueror as browser/filemanager.. I think this isn't very clean. if we have a separate filemanager we need a separate browser.

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Originally posted by gd
A different browser not using KHTML would definitely be the reinventing the wheel.

obviously the engine should be KHTML (I said without reinventing the wheel )

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Originally posted by gd
A browser using KHTML needless since we already have Konqueror to view web pages using KHTML.

konqueror is a browser/filemanager with advanced features.. I was thinking about something very different. a simpler browser with nice features, you still think that konqueror is the same thing? so why many people use firefox in kde?

mmm I have some ideas.. but I don't know if it's possible to implement what I mean. maybe I'll study the feasibility within the next month, when I have some free time
If you wont hear more about this.. it means that I realized it's not possible to implement and konqueror will rocks forever

ps. I've heard that the konqueror team and apple are cooperating to make khtml completely compatible with safari (and so compatible with many many sites )