Thanx for the reply... Yea I know about GDMSetup and what it can do, unfortunately what I am looking for is not in that application. I believe it has something to do with KDE not Gnome... Because if I load Gnome from GDM the color jumps to darkblue, If I load KDE from GDM the color jumps to grey... Now if it was a GDM thing then the color would stay the same for every desktop loaded. It's not... The predesktop load color changes... So there for it has to have something to do with the KDE or one of the presesision files in either GDM, XDM, KDM.. I just don't know which one or how to set them to get what I want...? HELP